138: 2021/12/06(月) 15:07:04.47 ID:TeIn3Wbid
八雲が悪魔召喚プログラム盗んで市民に配ってるみたいな会話あったからそこら辺の描写も欲しかったな
140: 2021/12/06(月) 15:10:29.54 ID:bSxRAk/G0
なんで八雲は悪魔召喚Pを配ったんだろうな
八雲の目的は座の破壊で、座が破壊されたら東京は消滅するんじゃないの？
消滅する東京市民に悪魔召喚Pを配る意味とは？
八雲の目的は座の破壊で、座が破壊されたら東京は消滅するんじゃないの？
消滅する東京市民に悪魔召喚Pを配る意味とは？
142: 2021/12/06(月) 15:13:36.78 ID:TeIn3Wbid
>>140
それは言われてたじゃん 誰の支配も受けないで悪魔も人間も戦う意思があって強いやつだけ生き残れば良いみたいな思考だから戦える力配ってたんよ
それは言われてたじゃん 誰の支配も受けないで悪魔も人間も戦う意思があって強いやつだけ生き残れば良いみたいな思考だから戦える力配ってたんよ
143: 2021/12/06(月) 15:13:52.17 ID:SS2/OMcMa
>>140
八雲ってシャカイナグローリーについて理解してるんだっけ？
八雲ってシャカイナグローリーについて理解してるんだっけ？
145: 2021/12/06(月) 15:14:11.06 ID:h4ZCh+Dl0
>>140
思想的にキッカケは与えるから
あとは自分の意思でなんとかしろって事じゃないの
思想的にキッカケは与えるから
あとは自分の意思でなんとかしろって事じゃないの
147: 2021/12/06(月) 15:15:14.79 ID:EamKNNFS0
>>140
別にあの描写必要あるとは思えなかったし
なんかあれ5Fの布石っぽい感じするんだよなぁ
配られた市民の一人が5Fの主人公になるとか
別にあの描写必要あるとは思えなかったし
なんかあれ5Fの布石っぽい感じするんだよなぁ
配られた市民の一人が5Fの主人公になるとか
150: 2021/12/06(月) 15:18:06.48 ID:klguiCOn0
>>140
生徒の「三年と先生が薄れかけてる」って発言から、仮に消滅しても18歳未満の都民は消えないかと思われる
東京の大地は消えるから逃げないと死ぬとは思うが
生徒の「三年と先生が薄れかけてる」って発言から、仮に消滅しても18歳未満の都民は消えないかと思われる
東京の大地は消えるから逃げないと死ぬとは思うが
生き残れば後は悪魔対人間の闘争社会になるので、やはり悪魔召喚プログラムは必要
八雲が18歳以上の消える予定の大人にも悪魔召喚プログラム配布してるっぽいのは‥なんでだろうね？
154: 2021/12/06(月) 15:21:21.60 ID:Ae+idnTq0
>>150
プログラム渡された大人は18年前よりこっちで上京してきた奴らで東京受胎に巻き込まれてなかった勢なのでは
一般の学生でも消える奴らは見て判別つくみたいだし
プログラム渡された大人は18年前よりこっちで上京してきた奴らで東京受胎に巻き込まれてなかった勢なのでは
一般の学生でも消える奴らは見て判別つくみたいだし
159: 2021/12/06(月) 15:23:58.12 ID:klguiCOn0
>>154
なるほど、それなら埼玉あたりに逃げれば意味あるね
しかし八雲エンドはどうみても従来のカオスルート
なるほど、それなら埼玉あたりに逃げれば意味あるね
しかし八雲エンドはどうみても従来のカオスルート
161: 2021/12/06(月) 15:25:29.79 ID:bSxRAk/G0
>>150
あーなるほど、一番腑に落ちた
あーなるほど、一番腑に落ちた
149: 2021/12/06(月) 15:17:29.71 ID:bn5/CdyG0
八雲は悪魔に支配されるのは嫌だけど悪魔と対等に戦って生きていける今の状況自体は気に入ってたんだっけ?
強い者が生き残るっていう昔のカオス思想的な
強い者が生き残るっていう昔のカオス思想的な
153: 2021/12/06(月) 15:21:19.04 ID:ys3aWRNV0
偽りの東京が消えるだけで市民はダアトに投げ出される感じなんじゃないの？
シャカイナグローリーの消滅って
だから戦えと
シャカイナグローリーの消滅って
だから戦えと
160: 2021/12/06(月) 15:24:13.38 ID:J7VGBfpmM
>>153
市民も含めて奇跡だから、それはないけど、ナホビノや神や悪魔なら生き延びられる
主人公の仲間たちの死にざまがマガヒツに消えるのはそのため
ほんとの人間なら死体が残るし、血まみれになるはず
市民も含めて奇跡だから、それはないけど、ナホビノや神や悪魔なら生き延びられる
主人公の仲間たちの死にざまがマガヒツに消えるのはそのため
ほんとの人間なら死体が残るし、血まみれになるはず
166: 2021/12/06(月) 15:30:50.18 ID:klguiCOn0
>>160
主人公の仲間達は18歳未満で全国から集められた設定だからシャカイナグロリーで複製されたわけでないでしょ
主人公の仲間達は18歳未満で全国から集められた設定だからシャカイナグロリーで複製されたわけでないでしょ
真3では魔界(ボルテクス界)だと普通の人間でもマガツヒ出てたよ、小説では分子間力がなんとか？
If設定だと魔界で死にかけるとガーディアン付くんだけどな！
165: 2021/12/06(月) 15:28:38.54 ID:jVb4T9Pr0
悪魔召喚プログラム使ってると悪魔化していくというか人間やめていくみたいなのが学校襲撃時に説明あったから
悪魔召喚プログラム使ってそうなれば18歳以上の消えない可能性？
まぁ流石にただの妄想だなこれは
悪魔召喚プログラム使ってそうなれば18歳以上の消えない可能性？
まぁ流石にただの妄想だなこれは
167: 2021/12/06(月) 15:31:26.63 ID:xzaW3nZq0
>>165
あったけそんなん だったらそばかすが急にワープ使い出したのも悪魔になったからか
あったけそんなん だったらそばかすが急にワープ使い出したのも悪魔になったからか
168: 2021/12/06(月) 15:31:39.68 ID:ZaB3IZv50
このまんまだと復元された東京も都民も消えるんだし
やばいのに八雲が何言ってるかよくわからなかったけど
サホリみたいに無理やり知恵扱いタンク扱いで合体とか悪魔天使に振り回されるなら
そういう意味でなら人間だけの世界欲しいのはわかる
やばいのに八雲が何言ってるかよくわからなかったけど
サホリみたいに無理やり知恵扱いタンク扱いで合体とか悪魔天使に振り回されるなら
そういう意味でなら人間だけの世界欲しいのはわかる
171: 2021/12/06(月) 15:35:44.02 ID:ZaB3IZv50
18年前の東京とそこにいた人たちと
今の復元東京にいる人たちがどういう扱いなのか
ゲームしててもよく分からないってのがなぁ
ここ5の最大の肝だろうに
今の復元東京にいる人たちがどういう扱いなのか
ゲームしててもよく分からないってのがなぁ
ここ5の最大の肝だろうに
173: 2021/12/06(月) 15:44:44.61 ID:KsCZaKKf0
18年前から都内にいた人>東京受胎で死滅、シャカイナグローリーで複製、東京と同様に消える
んで複製を含む親から生まれた子供も複製と同様に消える
こんな感じであれば年齢問わず消える人は消える
んで複製を含む親から生まれた子供も複製と同様に消える
こんな感じであれば年齢問わず消える人は消える
179: 2021/12/06(月) 15:51:01.66 ID:J7VGBfpmM
18歳云々はおいといて、目の色が黄色？くなった時点で人間じゃなくて悪魔みたいな存在になったのだと俺はおもってる
真３でも仲魔じゃなくて仲間たちはラスダン時点で人間じゃなくなってるし
真３でも仲魔じゃなくて仲間たちはラスダン時点で人間じゃなくなってるし
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